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rice above!
Ok ni aku punya pandangan…i’m not saying i’m right but this is what i feel and think…
Ok back to diy_jeff punya kemushkilan..enough all the diy thing. Here’s what i think what diy_jeff nak sampaikan. I think banyak band2 HC yang main bersama FC5 is rather anti-sexism, fascism, nazism, homophobic and all that stuff. Kita tolak DIY kejap. Ok kita tgk band2 bawah naungan Roadrunner (japan or Europe or US)..contoh band bwh label tersebut adalah Cradle of Filth if i’m not mistaken depa ni consider a satanism and sexism band, Earth Crisis the wellknown pro-life militant facist sxe band also under Roadrunner, and the list goes on. Maybe this is the issue, kenapa band2 tersebut tak ambil kisah bab2 sebegini? Adakah nak main gig ni semudah seperti ABC or 123? Org jemput kita terima jer. What if the organiser ada jemput band skinhead malay power main sama band2 tersebut (IF la..kalau ye..PLS take not i say IF..ni contoh jer). Tak akan dah kecoh jadi isu korang baru nak ambil tindakan…tak akan korang nak salahkan organiser…so next time who’s been playing with your band u all patut concern la unless u all already know them well. Kalau tak, cam hipokrit la..band anti-nazi main bersama ngan band nazi..kesimpulannya cam ni la..ni CONTOH ok???
Ok ini bukan sebab FC5 tak DIY but depa bawah label yang support sexism dan juga facism…ambik contoh Roadrunner cam kes Victory records kelurkan album One Life Crew – Crime Ridden apa entah…tau2 je keluar then a few weeks org tgk lirik band tu ada unsur perkauman…then kena tiau Victory Rec sebab tak ambil kisah..tau nak buat records byk2 jer…contohnya mcm tu la…so kes ni bukan isu DIY..ni isu band / organiser ambil berat or tak dgn pegangan dan kepercayaan mereka?
Kepada orang yang pos kat atas iaitu “This Days All Gods Die” mengenai organiser yang byk menghabiskan wang and stuff tu.
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“Aku tengok organizers yg keluar duit untuk show ni semuanya terdiri daripada pekerja buruh yang willing untuk sacrifice half daripada duit gaji bulanan (hasil titik peluh kerja 9 to 5/shift worker) mereka untuk menjayakan show ni. Ada juga yang takde duit nak kahwin pasal duit gaji banyak yang dihabiskan untuk scene. Ada yang hutang menimbun pasal duit gaji banyak dihabiskan untuk scene. Itu semua dikorbankan untuk menjaga ethic DIY itu sendiri. Atas nama tanggungjawab.
So kenape perlu dipersoalkan pasal DIY or tak DIY? korang nilaikan lah sendiri.”
All i can comment about apa This Day Gods Die tulis …Well most of us dari dulu spend a lot of money for the scene. Bukan sahaja habiskan duit gaji..some of us even jeopardise our job for the sake of the scene…(contoh ada yang semata2 ambik mc or ambik cuti sebab nak pegi gig; ada yang photocopy flyers kat office, curi envelope ofis utk kegunaan distro kawan2, etc benda2 yang boleh kena buang kerja gak la..) Not just organised gig, even records, zines, flyers and stuff. So benda ni tak perlu diceritakan coz most of us yang dtg pegi tgk gig or beli stuff dlm gig pun guna duit gaji…But all i know is that UxF dpt sponsor RM20k from one label from Johor and yang aku dpt tahu is that depa kena ambik band selection mereka. I’m not sure which band but yag aku dgr dulu is Klux Klux Adventure, The Times (band under Tang bekas Strange Culture Records), Love Me Butch and so on if they want to get the RM20k sponsor. Itu je aku tahu…SO kalau nak citer titik peluh semua org dah melalui pengalaman itu but Rm20K..wow!!! Aku tak support or even support these show but all i know is UxF is not a DIY label. And this is what they want. So tak akan nak paksa dorang buat benda yang bukan kehendak mereka? So at least they do it from their heart bukan perpura2. Itu satu la..but again as i said DIY is not an issue here but “CONCERN” is the whole issue.
Ok ni sedikit mengenai band yang main show di sponsor TIGER yang Joe Kidd ada sebut..tolak tepi multilevel coperation company punya bab..kita ambil point TIGER beer buat iklan berunsur sexism…so apa citer? So kesimpulannya di sini kita tolak isu Roadrunner as a big label..but kita kaji bab depa support facist & sexism band..so apa citer? Buat DO NO je?
to Joe Kidd ..bila nak video hi-8 gig lama2 tu…kita trade la jap..i borrow u the tape and u borro me some old photos..
to boy DF , if u not sit on the same table don’t assume that u know everything … 20k or not … its not a problem right .. but the main concern is now , how much this kids been struggle to set this to be done … don’t juz judge it from whut u here … u NEVER BEEN THERE ! OK ! … correct me if i’m wrong …
No One Cares by Terror
Attention thats your only friend
Every move you make, you want it seen by them
And you soeak so loud, so we know what you’re about
Now all eyes are on oyu, still you never made a sound
No one cares
About all the shit you do
No one cares
You look like a fool
Always know the right ones
Always front and center, wasting space
Throwing your opinions, drawing them in
Making sure that we see your face
No one cares what you do
No one cares about you
p/s : talk so much also don’t make any effect at all … if really they have 20k most probally it will end up something like those major big event .. maybe not juz FC 5 tour here maybe some others BIG GERMAN METALCORE HEROES …
joe, it didnt took me few hrs to type that down. just few minutes of thinking, heheh, nothing serious tho.
to boy, takyah citer benda yg kau tak sure. lagipun we have come a long way since strange culture right?
to others, diy or not, it really much depends on you. some people grow their own weed and brew their own stuff just to make sure that they dont pollute themselves by consuming those multinational products. its all depends on you, as malcolm x put it before, power to the people.
p/s whylah still talking bout earth crisis? have fun tho. i remember joe labelling us as pro-faced seriousness back then. hahahha no we’re not. cheers all.
To xin|case|breakdownx
I know about 20K coz Ein of United Front told me..coz they invited my band to play in KL..the 1st plan was Chronic Mass, NET, 4-Sides, Disaster Funhouse and FC5 at KL Pac (that was the 1st plan masa dia jemput my band few months back). But then we have skateboard competition on the same day of the gig. Both me and Joe were the judges…and we rejected to play and 2ndly , i’ve found out about FC5 and that’s another reason. I know it’s RM20k coz that’s what i heard from Ein’s mouth thru the phone. Actually i don’t care bout the Rm20k..but my point here is what “This Days God Die” tulis he said about titik peluh and stuff…it’s like he/she were saying that all these while gig yang sebelum ni semua cam senang nak organised and this one was the hardest… well think about when there’s Rm20k in it. To me ia lagi menyenangkan kerja once dah dpt capital byk tu..that’s what i mentioned about RM20K..i tak kisah Rm20k ke or not but don’t say berapa titik peluh keluar or duit gaji habis…
I’ve NEVER BEEN there and that doesn’t mean i’m not part of the scene. Most kids nowdays easily judge people when they don’t see me around at shows or hang out..is that what the scene all about, being attend shows and hang out? Do you have to punch in so that people know you are active n the scene or not? I know a lot of things within the scene and it doesn’t have to be me involve by showing faces around at shows or places where u all hang out. You tak fikir lak budak yang pi gig tu (most yang u all kenal gak) lepak ngan aku gak tiap2 minggu kat area umah aku…so i do know things. Ask Ein if he did mentioned to me about anything bout this gig…and also about the RM20k..i’m sure about that … like i said aku tak kisah depa dpt RM20k ke tak? That’s not the whole point…
To Peisey my friend: Earth Crisis? Well why not Piesay, they still exist and for your info Path of Resistence pun ada album baru and they are still a facist militant sxe and yet pro-life band on Roadrunner. So u all against fascist and there’s nothig wrong to play with a label yang support facist band? Cam tu..so if they have a racist or nazist band (IF la) means tak apa gak main..janji spread messege widely to more crowd…This is the ISSUE actually not about the RM20k or DIY pls understand apa yang aku cuba tegakan disini…Strange Culture memang dah lapuk punya cerita la..aku just bagitau The Times was under Tang. Itu jer…coz The Times pun ada dlm plan yang Ein sebut hari tu…
Sorry Ein have to mentioned your name here but it’s true right what you told me kan? Pls faham yang aku tak halang apa yang korang buat coz itu KEHENDAK korang but cuba understand ISSUE facist band on Roadrunner tu…itu jer…adeh penat lak…
Piesay, I didn’t just “clean up” your post lah! Went through all of the others. hell banyak gila! No editing of the text though, just paragraphing and make it easy to read.
“pro-faced seriousness”, Piesay?
No. I think it was “po-faced seriousness”. It was just my frustration on the lack of humour in the local HC scene then (and maybe now, not that i know much!). Admitting to our own faults and laugh at our own idiosyncrasies; as a scene, as a sub-scene, as a band, or as an individual is a character trait which I really admire. Many of us forgot to admit, smile, crack a joke, laugh at our own bullshit.
hahahhahahhhaa!!!
Hi Boy! Terima kasih for clearing all that up. Really, I didn’t know Roadrunner have questionable / “dodgy” bands under their wings. Dang! So now, it’s not just the issue of a multi-nasional korporat label lah. Encik diy_jeff should have elaborate more on Roadrunner when he posted that first comment.
And also the point where an external label has injected 20k sponsorship with a condition that some bands will be able to play? I find that really interesting. I remember Irman (Damage Digital / Spacebar / now Junk Magazine) telling me how in Japan most new bands are only allowed to play at the clubs if they would pay some amount of money. Pay-to-Play. I found that pretty odd in the context of the prevailing DIY-ism-skism.
I’m not going to pass my judgements on the organisers, labels or bands who would resort to that practice or condone such wily carrot-dangling, but as for myself, I can safely say that I have managed to refuse the carrots dangled.
For an example, the Unclogged series of shows I’ve been doing was offered a sponsorship deal with some beer company a few years ago. AIl they asked for some logos on the flyer/poster and a logo as the backdrop. I declined of course.
A long time ago my label was offered two competing deals by two huge multinasional record labels. They wanted to finance AGE, so AGE would become their subsidiary (sub-company), just like Positive Tone under EMI, and the same relationship Clockwork Records has with EMI nowadays. But of course, I again declined.
So why did I do that? If you look at AGE now, it’s dead! Well, not really dead but maybe like a zombie! Hahah! Why? No money lah. If I’ve taken those offers then, AGE may well be living large and helping out a lot of bands nowadays.
The same with the Unclogged series. So far we haven’t really lost much money. Most of the shows were able to pay the bands. But with an injection of funds from the beer company, Unclogged could have been a strong entity in terms of its finances. But no. I didn’t take up the offer.
Am I regretting my decisions? NO! Not at all really.
In fact, I’m pretty glad I didn’t grab the carrots. Yeah, maybe I could have recorded more bands, document the scene with lots of recordings and releases etc. All good things that, but I don’t think I can live my life sucking up to the facets of the industry which I find so vile, so exploitative and greedy. I would rather go live on a small boat in the Riau Islands and be a fisherman. At least my conscience will be clear and able to sleep soundly.
But that’s is me.
Maybe to other people, what I’ve done is utterly stupid. Well, I can deal with that! I’m a happy camper anyway!
test test 123…
chronic mass eh! ada lagi dorang ni…hmmm itu hari dengar bollocks pun nak keluar cd…ada apa2 cerita? yang terbaru, ehem.. mcm confirm aje rator akan keluar cd..pergh…semua band dulu2 formed balik ni… cuma tunggu aedes zine aje utk buat re-release…lepas boleh sambung balik buat zine tu bro. amacam? ala..minta ler kat kawan lu tu bro. copy…pastu pulang balik kat zine library dia tu…aku tak dapat baca lagi aedes yang # 1 punya tu….
ermmm…band yg main dkt JB semuanya best best macam secret7, nostalgia…
tapi, aku tak support kot gig ni…kenapa? cukup lah aku je yg tau alasannya…panjang kisah nya. dan aku tak hasut pun sape sape untuk mempersetujui/meng`iyakan alasan aku ni. =)
Rator pun kuar cd? Cun..after depa kuar cd bagitau..leh aku keluarkan vcd rator live at Live centre “At The Gathering” 1992 /93 yang Ajax Ultra Higax buat dulu..hahahaha….
Rator keluaq CD? Kat mana dengar nih? Yang Bollocks tu memang betul lah, rakam dah siap, dengar duduk mix.
Aedes #1, ada Nizang dapat copy, he supposed to copy one for me also lah. Dang! Aedes, kalu ada jalan lagi lah, dah masuk 20 tahun umur nya. Dang!
this is shah writing on behalf on the retarded mindless show. we didn’t know about the band selection until the day we read this post because we dealt with our good friend fariq of mable distro/records, we had no direct contact with any other label who are organizing the show. elmkids will be playing and we’re excited about that 🙂
oh by the way, i know this is “so-2-months-ago” but unclogged was by far the best show we ever played. thanks for putting us on the bill joe! we like!!!
Terima kasih Shah. Brayok is also playing kan? Maybe i’ll turn up there, kalu ada pitis lah!!
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But all i know is that UxF dpt sponsor RM20k from one label from Johor and yang aku dpt tahu is that depa kena ambik band selection mereka. I’m not sure which band but yag aku dgr dulu is Klux Klux Adventure, The Times (band under Tang bekas Strange Culture Records), Love Me Butch and so on if they want to get the RM20k sponsor. Itu je aku tahu…SO kalau nak citer titik peluh semua org dah melalui pengalaman itu but Rm20K..wow!!!
ok antara post-post kau kat atas tu kau cakap mcm ni “Most kids nowdays easily judge people when they don’t see me around at shows or hang out..is that what the scene all about, being attend shows and hang out? Do you have to punch in so that people know you are active n the scene or not? I know a lot of things within the scene and it doesn’t have to be me involve by showing faces around at shows or places where u all hang out.”
ok reply dari aku:
ok kau tak rasa ke ape yang kau cakap tu sebenarnye makan diri sendiri? kau sendiri main sedap jer tulis UxF dapat sponsor 20K dari label from JB ??? haha kelakar gak. dan kau juga kata kau tau semua mende yang ada dalam scene tanpa memerlukan kau menunjuk muka kat tempat budak2 hangout. so itu pasal kau buat cerita karut pasal 20K dari label JB, sebab kau dapat intel yang tak betul dari mulut-mulut budak¬? yang lepak dekat depan rumah kau tu. (aku sekarang tengah sakit perut ah gelak)
Klux Klux Adventure?? The Times?? apa ni semua?? nampak sangat kau dapat intel dari mulut orang lain (yang sememangnya lah tambah menambah) sebab kau sendiri pon (mcm kau cakap) tak tunjuk muka kat shows or kat mana¬? budak¬? melepak. dan aku tak rasa ein cakap macam tu kat kau, sebab intel yang kau bagi tu sememangnya mengarut!
itu la masalah scene HC/PUNK kita ni, kita tolak tepi SEKEJAP laa segala isu DIY or tak DIY/FASCIST/RACISM/CAPITALISM bla bla shits yang korang cuba nak bincangkan ni, kita tengok isu cakap belakang/cakap mengarut/menipu yang banyak berlaku ni dalam scene kita ni dari tahun 96, sampai laa 2006 nih. tak bosan ke asyik mengata orang lain? tak bosan ke asyik cedok intel dari mulut orang lain (bukan dari source yang betul) then sebarkan kat internet bagi orang benci sana sini? weh sangap ahhhh!!
tak sangap ke jatuhkan orang lain? tak sangap ke benci orang sana sini? tak sangap ke dengki kat orang lain? aku tak nampak pon idea dlm lirik¬? yang korang cuba sampaikan tu sampai ke kepala otak budak¬? yang mendengar, melainkan kebencian yang turun dari generasi ke generasi. entahlah aku kesian giler dgn scene kita ni, penuh dengan kebencian, bukannye penuh dengan equality sesama manusia yang kita terapkan dalam lirik-lirik lagu.
ni haa aku bagi satu lirik lagu yang aku rasa memang sesuai sangat laa dgn keadaan kita sekarang ni:
Bane – Can We Start Again
Can we start again
Go back to what it meant back then
Open minds and open hearts
The things that set us apart
Was it more than words
And do they still apply
And do you still believe
Well so do I
I was a 15 year old kid
With nowhere to fit in
I just wanted to skate
Listen to my Suicidal tape
WHEN SOMEONE TOLD ME ABOUT A PLACE
WHERE THE STRANGE WERE ACCEPTED
AND JUDGE BY WHAT’S INSIDE
A SCENE OF TRULY OPEN MINDS
Somewhere, somehow, everything has changed
Look at what we’ve gotten ourselves caught up in
The same mindless clicks
The same high school shit
All the walls you scream about breaking down
I’ve watched you build brick by brick
Do you still believe-I do
LOOK BEYOND THE 3 CHORDS THAT FILL YOUR LIVES
LOOK BEYOND THE GOSSIP AND THE LIES
Beyond the dullest of outsides
Look beyond
Try harder
See what’s inside this burning in my heart
Born under the same songs that you know
But our blood will never blend
Until you let those doors go
BOYDxF,
Hey, what’s up with you and talking about the RM20k sponsorship? If you don’t know what the real story is, don’t you go around propagating bullshit on a public forum. If you aren’t happy with it, why don’t you talk to UnitedxFront face-to-face like a man instead of hiding behind a computer screen? Ein was good enough to want to have your band play, yet you turn around and fucking stab him in the back? Where are YOUR ethics?
Getting cash sponsorships of any kind is extremely difficult and being able to convince someone even for a second that we’re worth spending their money on is already an achievement. YOU TRY GETTING A CASH SPONSORSHIP FOR YOUR HARDCORE GIG. What I see is jealousy wearing a mask of DIY ideology. All we wanted to do was to be able to pay the bands and organizers a little bit of money for their efforts. All we wanted to do was to hold a quality music festival. We didn’t get it in the end.
But what makes you think that even with a sponsorship that large it makes organizing ANYTHING any EASIER?
Organizing an event takes money and where the hell do you think the money comes from? It comes from the organizer’s own pocket. They’re not rich or own many luxuries, yet they’re willing to sacrifice what little they have to keep the scene going.
And people who refuse to pay RM20 for a gig are idiots. All you want are free gigs or dirt-cheap gigs but you don’t think about the people who have given their time and money to make it happen. Do you truly think that even at RM20 per ticket, it can cover our cost? In the end we lose out and make NOTHING. NO PROFIT. If you have an iota of a brain, you do the calculations and see where it takes you.
AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION BoyDxF, the sponsor was NOT from Johor as you claimed. The sponsor was NOT a label. And Joe Kidd, the sponsor DID NOT demand certain bands play. Klux Klux Adventure was NOT even in the list! You, BoyDxF, are disseminating FALSE INFORMATION and that, in my humble opinion, is FUCKED UP.
I don’t appreciate your shit, BoyDxF.
ABDUL,
What’s past is past. The Dyslexia story is so stale. Why don’t you go look for new shit to point fingers at and whinge about instead of digging up old shit?
Or you could crawl back into your coconut shell and shut the fuck up.
yeap, i have a copy of aedes #1. the copy is really in good condition. i guess i’ll just copy one for me and give the “original” that i have to joe incase he want to copy it for anyone else. it’ll be better that way. i’ll hand it to him this raya.
man, too many things to do before raya. i don’t even have time to think about the debate here. who’s diy, who’s not? that’s no longer important to me. whatever i like, i’ll support, whatever i don’t like i’ll avoid. simple. punk is about thinking for yourself too!
To Karen and Thisdayallgodsdie…
baca balik la..aku tak ckp CONFIRM dpt pun and aku pun tak kata tak agree dorang dpt rm20k or not..(pls qoate kalau ada) just mentioned JGN KATA korang guna titik pelu , duit separuh gaji la..ibarat cam gig ni la palik penat nak organised….
but like i said… rm20k and from label johor tu is what EIN told me..so don’t blame me bukan2 la or buat cerita coz that’s what EIN told me thru phone and also what HUZAIBA told me thru ym..same thing….either they terima that sponsor or not tu aku tak tahu la..but the rm20k is TRUE…so u all jgn nak buat cerita kata aku buat cerita…that’s BULLSHIT….the times, klux klux adventure, memang ada disebut sebelum ini utk gig di KL. Again aku tak buat cerita sebab like i said depa jemput band aku main and band2 The Times, Klux Klux Adventure ni memang EIN ada sebut kat aku..but it seems sekarang kat flyers tak da so itu decision dorang la….kenapa korang kata aku buat cerita since EIN, HUZAIBA dari United Front yang juga selaku organiser yang bagitau benda ni kat aku…kenapa korang kata aku dpt unsur dari org tak betul…(damn aku cirit birit sambil ketawa dan gelak hati seh dgr korang ckp aku buat cerita…)
and to thisdayallgoddie…
Aku tak ckp aku dpt unsur RM20k tu dari bebudak yang lepak ngan organiser dekat rumah aku…but aku refer kat u all post sebab u all assume aku tak tahu anything bout the scene. Bodoh ke ko ni…and for your info aku tak buat mulut or mengata org belakang since u mentioned isu 1996 again…tanya la sesiapa org kat CM or tanya Arwith coz he is one of the people yang pernah hang out cm dulu…he knows aku ni str8 forward punya org..mana ada aku buat cerita beb dari 1996 sampai sekarang..kalau aku buat cerita dah lama org benci aku dan belasah aku macam kat gig HC Teratak Dangdut tu..hahaha….
To Karen..
I think u misjudge about me and i didn’t mentioned a thign about DIY..just wait for that reply from Encik diy_jeff which is i assume who? JEALOUSY no..i’m just stoked when a user above mentioned about hard working and stuff..it’s like all these while that all gig organiser didn’t work hard..and that’s why i said about the RM20k. Coz the user above mentioned that those gig organiser used half of their salary for this event..well we all did bro, we all did that before so don’t mentioned it…but to me if i get a RM20k sponsorship it would make my work easier..maybe not to you lah..but salah ke aku ckp in my opinion..coz aku pun pernah organised gig beb…
Hey Karen, i also don’t appreciate your BULLSHITness here.. About the sponsorship from Johor and RM20k..that’s what i heard from EIN’s mounth thru phone and what Huzaiba type to me in YM. So don’t try to fool me or everyone here. Isn’t Ein and Huzaiba from United Front part of the organisers? So you were telling me now that they were LYING lah if you say i state out FALSE INFORMATION..so blame that to them la ..apa da karen bukan nama sebenar..penakut nak tonjol diri…again another gangster internet (pergh..leh buat lagu baru pasal ni)…
and last thing, if the sponsor not from Johor or not i don’t care..like i said i don’t care if they’ve got the sponsor..it’s not an issue to me la coz bukannya aku organise pun..it’s an issue to me when someone mentioned how hard they work for this gig and used their own poket money..it;s like this was the hardest gig ever organised in Malaysia..hope u understan what i mean..and that’s where i mentioned about the RM20k (since u mentioned self pocket money and half of their own salaray and ada yang tak dpt kahwin and shit) coz to me if my team had that amount of sponsorship..it would have been easier dude..so hope u got what i’m trying to say…the RM20k is not an issue la..just refer to that separuh gaji punya point oleh thisdayallgodsdie…kelakar seh korang ni..benda simple cam ni pun tak leh faham..
and for your info i didn’t stabbed EIN United Front back la idiot ..i stated out everything was told to me. Coz people keep talking bout this gig (ni bukan thread gig tu ke?) so i told them..people keep pop up question..and you keep ignore about the klux klux and the times and kata aku tipu….so what i did here is reply your question from the source direct from the organiser..face to face and thru phone..tak sama ker (would they say it differently if face to face or talked thru phone?)…hiding behind pc??..well at least i have the guts to let everyone here knows who i am with my name on..not like you all who still hang out and go to gig but afraid of showing yourself behind that stupid ID name…APa punya manusia da u all…DON”:T BLAME ME bukan bukan la…like i said tanya EIN..pegi tany EIN ada tak dia bagitau itu semua kat AKU..Pegi tanya dia dulu sebelum korang TUDUH aku..pegi la..aku cabar sekarang…this is not issue nak back stab la..this is about the TRUTH!!! Ein still my friend u idiot…if i back stabbed him then i won’t have help Second Combat to get a release came out on Commitment records la…
AGain kepada sesiapa yang BODOH nak faham..again aku tak ada niat nak halang pun about the sponsorship or the RM20k.or The Times, or Klux Klux Adventure main ke…aku mentioned tak semestinya aku tuduh or kutuk or menentang or menghalang mereka…aku mentioned sebab u all nak tahu kan…if my source was a FALSE like Karen ckp then the organiser la yang tipu or maybe cuba nak cover them selves up..KENAPA? Don’t asked me la..aku tau takat tu jer..lebih pada tu aku tak tahu..aku tahu the early stage of the gig plan and story…apa perubahan selepas tu aku tak tahu sebab aku pun tak main gig tu dah (which Karen said FALSE INFO..yeah right…)
damn..lirik apa aku nak letak kat sini utk thisdaysgodsdie…hmmm to many la pulak..BANE..tu EIN xSCX punya favourite tu…
ADIOS to all you coward…
* Karen: i didn’t say u were lying about the sponsorship not from johor label ..but just let u know again that’s what EIN told me..ok? ada faham…u want EIN hp number..nak call dia?
ya Nizang…just do what’s from ur heart….HONESTY!!! and hell yeah since when i mentioned bout DIY like what those coward above mentioned..hahahahaha…i think they mean diy_jeff la….
Hey BoyDxF,
Bring it. Karen IS my real name. Look it up. I don’t need Ein’s number because I’m organizing this gig with him. So if you wanted STRAIGHT FROM THE ORGANIZER’S MOUTH, YOU GOT IT.
I’m saying you’re propagating false information because obviously somewhere along the line where you were shitting yourself laughing at the attention you got, you had your information mixed up. So get your fucking facts straight before you accuse them of lying or accuse me of not using my real name. UNLIKE YOU.
And if you were truly his friend, you wouldn’t be poking fun at him here and claiming to be holier than thou. If you were such a friend, you’d talk to him personally rather than whinge on a public forum. If you were truly his friend, you wouldn’t announce publicly about something that was meant to be kept confidential. OBVIOUSLY, you wanted him to be condemned or boycotted which is why you brought up the issue of the sponsosrship and how “ethical” you were to turn us down. Friends simply don’t do this to each other. Or have you forgotten?
i wasn’t told it was confidential…sorry….so you were one of them.. but i’m not making fun of Ein or trying to accuse them wrong like i said again..i don’t care if they got the Rm20k or not..it’s their label and they have their own freewill…
now u have gone too far when you said i wanted them to get boycotted…NO!!!! Again i brought up the sponsorship issue coz one of the user above said u guys were using your own money i mean half of your salary for this event and it makes me laugh coz everyone in the scene doing a show had expereince the same thing. But when i heard about the sponsorship of RM20k so i was wndering why would they spend half of their salary when they have the RM20k already (DAH KURANG BEBAN kat situ so kenapa kata tak dpt kahwin la, kuar titik peluh la, habis separuh duit gaji la..DANG!!!)…that’s why i brought it up..no intention of boycotting or what so ever…you can aksed around..is there any e-mail or sms or me calling all bands or gig goers to boycott this…damn u r too much of accusing me..
Dude..that’s what EIN told me..i’m here not to blame EIN but your post above said i ‘ve got from a FALSE INFORMATION…dude..i’m done with this..i’m telling the truth of what i heard not from 2nd hand people but direct from Ein…ok here’s a text of me chat with Huzaiba since i save most of my chat text when there’s a seroius issue being discuss
Here’s some part of the text mentioning about RM20k (as you said i lie and get from FALSE FACTS)
radioterbang is Huzaiba United Front YM..u can see it on his myspace profile i think
sk8edgecrew (12:02:40 AM): aku sedar sal tu years ao beb
radioterbang (12:02:44 AM): uxf tak menang tgn skrg ni
sk8edgecrew (12:02:46 AM): ago beb
radioterbang (12:02:57 AM): siap ada label nak sponser rm20000 lagi beb
sk8edgecrew (12:03:04 AM): aku proud ngan UxF and xSCx
(CUKUP TAKAT NI JER LEH TUNJUK)
The above text was chat between me and Huziaba somewhere August or early September on YM
I have an sms about Ein saying who’s playing..you wanna see it???
I’m posting all these not becoz i wanted to boycotted them or against them..it’s becoz u said i lie and get FALSE INFO (ni dah lari topik dah actually)…I guess there’s nothing wrong putting it and i don’;t think putting this true fact here does effects our friendship either…
and as i said, the info was told to me few months back and i have no idea if there’s any changes now or today. So i’m SORRY if there’s misunderstanding bout that..But again i did tell the truth and bukan buat cerita ya…
So Karen is your name..ok hi..sorry again for that….
and bout this “Ein was good enough to want to have your band play, yet you turn around and fucking stab him in the back? Where are YOUR ethics?”
Yes i appreciate they’ve invited us..asked him again why we did not play..first they wanted me to play in KL but the date clashes with our skateboard event since both me and my drummer were the judges.
Go to this Malaysian skateboard forum and see the event date wrote there and when was the date of posting (mana la tau nanti u ingat i making it up):
http://sk8climax.proboards37.com/index.cgi?board=skateevents&action=display&thread=1155301806
Then Ein invited us to play in Ipoh or in JB… as a band i have to ask all of the band members and most of them didn’t want to play outside KL since they have other things to do. So i only told Ein that we can’t play any of the date available and we might perform in future gigs not this one (Hardship tour). Is that called turn down?…where’s my ethics? Hmm… about FC5..i only know they are not diy bands after that…not after diy_jeff post la offcourse….so it was like KEBETULAN la tak main pun….is this what u called stab in the back? Now i’m in this blog with a lot of bullshit question and i only try to tell what i know..That’s all..not to boycott la…tak da kerja la aku nak boycott…kalau dulu Strange Culture records nak boycott leh la citer sebab involve my band…sekarang depa pun dah on their business track dan tak ganggu scene HC… so aku lega dah..apa nak boycott lak..that’s not my hobby la Karen…
So sebelum terlanjur apa2 lagi PEACE to all
We are here not to fight..just to share opinion, discussion, solve some problems or threat (if that’s what u might called it). Tak puas hati kita jumpa satu hari nanti..senang..and bila baca my post jgn baca dlm keadaan yang sungguh emo…
Nizang, gua pun mau Aedes!
go! go! boy!
so, XXXeinXXX or XXXhuzaibaXXX, dont you have anything to write or explain right here?
=)
dang! yang mana boleh di pake ni?
hmmm. ni kena panggil Transparency International kasi kurang jerebu! report kat CIJ untuk kegunaan “Freedom of Information Campaign” dia orang.
Tahap Jerebu Ricecooker (untuk muka surat ini lah): 200 (menghuatirkan)
Quote from BoyDXF:
now u have gone too far when you said i wanted them to get boycotted…NO!!!! Again i brought up the sponsorship issue coz one of the user above said u guys were using your own money i mean half of your salary for this event and it makes me laugh coz everyone in the scene doing a show had expereince the same thing. But when i heard about the sponsorship of RM20k so i was wndering why would they spend half of their salary when they have the RM20k already (DAH KURANG BEBAN kat situ so kenapa kata tak dpt kahwin la, kuar titik peluh la, habis separuh duit gaji la..DANG!!!)…that’s why i brought it up..no intention of boycotting or what so ever…you can aksed around..is there any e-mail or sms or me calling all bands or gig goers to boycott this…damn u r too much of accusing me..
haaaa itu laa maksud aku, kau ni sebenarnye tak faham cerita sebenar isu 20K nih. kalau betul dapat 20K, aku tak rasa event ni buat kat dewan cina yang dah lama tu. nak sewa KLPAC pon tak mampu la! and apa yang aku nampak, UxF tolak duit banyak-banyak tu disebabkan nak jaga etika DIY dia orang.
cool ah boy, tak perlu segala bukti chat or bukti sms yang kau cuba nak tunjukkan ni. just amik nasihat aku di sini (kalau kau boleh terima nasihat orang lain ah dan nasihat ini juga kepada semua orang termasuk aku juga) next time, kalau nak keluarkan statement pasal isu-isu sensitif macam ni, make sure dapatkan intel dari source yang betul, tanya betul-betul, DEPAN-DEPAN, sebelum huraikan depan public. takkan timbul kekeliruan macam ni. walaupon dengan niat yang baik, tetapi niat tu akan dipandang buruk orang lain. then orang-orang akan fuck orang yang terkena bang disebabkan intel yang tak betul. jatuh lagi seorang manusia dekat scene ni, macam jatuhnya seorang mamat kat JB sana. tak kesian ke? (or memang kita ni melayu tipikal yang sememangnya suka menjatuhkan orang lain?) mende tu terjadi disebabkan mende-mende mcm ni ahh. classic gile!
that’s all for now and im done!
peace yo!
p/s: alamak sorry ah aku tak tau pulak ade ke tak badan bukan organisasi yang set standard sapa DIY or sapa tak DIY kat Malaysia ni, apa yang aku nampak, semua orang enjoy jadi punk bersama kawan-kawan dan bebas mengamalkan idea masing-masing. ohh lagi satu, apa yang aku post awal sekali berkenaan pasal duit gaji, aku cuba untuk menekankan kat sini yang event ni dianjurkan oleh orang-orang yang percaya dengan konsep DIY tu sendiri. aku tak ada pula menidakkan or memperlekehkan usaha yang pernah dibuat oleh orang-orang sebelum ni. 🙂
hahah, this is way too long for me to read. anyway boy, yes i still stands againsts all those racist, fascist etc stuff that you mentioned but unfortunately nothing much has changed since then. and to joe, i laughs even harder these days. maybe cuma kau tak nampak kot. hehe no worries tho.
p/s joe, CIJ for Freedom of Information Campaign? we need a scene police. hehheh jk
“bdk” tu mmg patot kot terima tu seme…no need to kesian…jahatkan aku? wawawawawa
I don’t think they need to give the answer for all of this nonsense thing coz end up there will me more conflict of idea and misunderstanding … have any problem juz do contact them directly … of juz visit them at their work place … not juz type a 360 word of comprehension of whut hardcore is all about …
But I believe there will be some words of explanation from them about it … juz wait for that … enough said … Actually I fell a bit funny about whut the hell happen in this so called hc/punk scene … previously we see lots band from outside name it Himsa , DieYoung , Vitamin X , ClusterBombUnit , etc , etc … most of them I think now already big name already . Ok probably some will say that himsa old days still diy or whutever but same goes with FC Five .. old days also they also have been played in the gig that have no aircond that only have 30 kids attend to it . Die Young .. now juz only past 2 , 3 month before touring here NOW already sign with EULOGY REC. … share a same stage with big name … no problem whut ? ?
Somebody already mention that he don’t have correct meaning of diy so do I but whut I can say here .. its all up to us to think about it … some of kids over here previously so boycotted King Ly Chee … second time they tour here WOW !! … take a picture together la … hehehe … no need to mention whos the person but u know who you are right … ? ?
Some words that I think it suit this so called environment
“ Lets looks further down scene is getting bigger but less stronger .. ” – Basic Rights
“ I think they should change this fucking view … ” – FSF
“ I will not to shake my hand to the person juz like you .. ” – Disaster Funhouse
last but not in list “ HARDCORE as fuck .. ” – 24 Reason
BoyDxF,
It’s amazing to what levels you’d go to to defend your pathetic pride. Was it really necessary for you to post all of that just to prove you were right? I NEVER said you got false information FROM Ein or Huzaiba. I’m saying YOUR INFORMATION got mixed up along the way.
The statement that said organizer’s were using their own money sampai takleh kawin had NOTHING to do with UxF, it was a GENERAL statement. So why drag Ein and United Front into it? WHO GAVE YOU THE RIGHT TO DO THAT?! Your facts about the sponsorship WASN’T EVEN ACCURATE and you dare to post it on a public forum AS IF YOU WERE RIGHT.
How do you think people would react to a statement like yours about the sponsorship if they didn’t know the whole story? Do you not think that it would have a negative effect? Or do you NOT THINK before you write?
Hearsay is NOT respected. It’s people LIKE YOU who cause confusion and create a wider drift into the disparity between others. Your sad attempt at staying neutral isn’t going to work. YOU started this so STAND UP TO IT AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. Brushing it off is so unattractive.
AS FOR YOU SHARIL88, I’M writing on behalf of Ein and Huzaiba. Don’t you stir up any more shit.
AS FOR YOU SHARIL88, I’M writing on behalf of Ein and Huzaiba. Don’t you stir up any more shit. ——–> oh Karen SHIT-ism, im so scared….huhuhuhu
This is the new revolution we’re building a brand new society
It’s about time we find a solution and not let it slip away
It’s time that we all work together
This little thing we call unity has the power to make it all better
And that is why today
We’ll all be on the streets
Saving the scene from the forces of evil
Side by side, living our dreams
All the positive people
We’ll fight our way through the frustration
Overcome negativity
To us it is not a temptation
Because that is not the way
All that is needed to start this is a healthy dose of positivity
We’ve found our way through all the darkness
And on this brand new day
We’ll all be on the streets
Saving the scene from the forces of evil
Side by side, living our dreams
All the positive people
ya Joe..actually karen and i ada misunderstanding ni..i got info dari Ein 2 moths back and the plan was like i wrote above..so maybe dah tukar plan so dah jadi lain so now i don’ t know la…itu jer..so .. i pun don’t know if they ambik sponsorship tu or not..but they did mentioned ada label offer and that was 2 monhs back punya citer..so maybe dorang tak ambik and guna separuh gaji like the user above mention kut…so let’s get to the main topic of En diy_jeff yang dari USA tu (tul ke Joe).. isu mengenai why diy band boleh main sama band major label? Lets discuss benda ni..aku tak nak citer pasal the Times and Rm20k tu dah..and now back to the topic mengenai band facist and sexism, satanism under Roadrunner yang aku mentioned above
and sharil88….i think most of us / them dah tahu..u can read apa org comment kat United Front punya myspace……it seems that ada org dah ingat ada org disini backstabb them (UxF)..actually no one does…diy_jeff yang mulakan topik panas ini yang reminds me of the previous Vitamin X blog yang panjang lebar tu…
so if any of the mentioned name terasa or think i do such bad thing (like backstabb) then aku sorry and SELAMAT HARI RAYA MAAF ZAHIR DAN BATIN…but i think i don’t backstabb anyone..also i know every local hC society is reading this topic..so tolong jgn tuduh aku..i’m just try to explain…
HELL FEST one million production
FC5 tour RM20K spend pun ada org nak boycott,question?
Come on when can we grow up?
So joe kidd, boy kehancuran, dys,jeff, shammir, ahmad,weng whoever it is etc any one particular,
If you think u can came out with that kind of money to do your own show to give the best. Do it yourself.
Ideas will always be your thought and not always considered follow. Thats hardcore, Thats punkrock.
If you shove telling people what u think its right and other ppl do wrong. You not hardcore enough.
The issue here. anyone can have their own diy concept what ever perception.
Do i have to bring up the issue about what is punk rock?
This kids have grown up and realize this is not like the story six or ten or fifteen years ago.
They understand what they do.
Yah maybe we live in Malaysia and not Europe or Us. but still the ideas come from overthere.
If you saying we cant survive doing it, you dont have the guts to believe your own scene.
And those kids believe on what they do. Why dont let them do?
And why ppl tak beli mainstream stuff because we all into
indierock,punkrock,hardcore,grind,metal or whatever scene it is.
I always believe in the scene our local scene. But in right way so its functional.
Like Kent Mclard say if you dont believe in your scene who else believe it?
Our scene never knew that Bad Brains is a homophobic.
Still bad brain its the greatest hardcore band exist and still doing hardcore music till now.
Ian Mckaye saying straight edge its about me. Now its a scene
Because the kids believe. Ian Mckaye believe in Do it yourself
And what it is . Its about you making a change for yourself before you tell everybody.
Its about hardwork and passion. Its about believe in your scene.
its about PMA
The scene exist because we believe and if you dont believe
hardcore cant be a job thats ur problem,
That what some of the kids believe. And if they work hard for it
why are u stopping them?
Have we been to New York,LA, DC , Boston , when all this start? where were we ? Their history made us.
And why i point out to see American Hardcore Classic because without the existence of them it would not be German, British, Swedish, Italian, Spanish, Chinese, Australian, French, Dutch, Greek, Finnish, Japanese. hardcore today.
Yet if Malaysian hardcore or punk scene does not realize anything till today. I dont know what it become.
Those kids have awake from five years sleep and realize whats wrong with the scene. They made amend on what they believe. And who are we to judge them?
Hardcore its ppl who been outcast . AGAIN WE ARE OUTCAST. because normal ppl would never listen what we hear.
If you poke on them because of what you believe, Who are you?
Hardcore never teach me to judge ppl thats why exist no homophobia,sexism,rasict. Because hardcore never judge people. What you doing here its judging the kids and its happening again from back then till now,
DIY or not or whatever it is. U or me dont have the right to judge anyone. The concept here its simple.
Then if you against capatalism or whatever your fight. No one halang your fight. Because that your ideas.
Maybe for you music its not important but some do think music important and survival doing it have to done correctly. so be it.
Why you have to associate with their music with your ideas? Music also needs progression and state of mind is written in the songs. So you got problem with it Do it yourself.
If you living in the capatalism world and cant ran away because of if because for your survival and you stay in it.
who stopping you?
why u must judge those kids who think hardcore its their escape plan?
Who are you to judge them.
We are too proud of our small progression.
We have zine here and some editor proud that they write something in the past? But does it make a change from day one? Maybe yah but you shouldnt proud of the past because of what today its count. We should progress from 15 years back till now. We dont need to be proud of something we do in 1994 and bring till today because wheres your zine progression? From photostat zine to professional color prnted zine? Where are we going?
This kids have seen and learn that progression its need and a bigger audience have to be attract to spread out their message. In a way they believe. if you keep on believe on what you believe so again i say DO IT YOURSELF.
Theres so many DO IT YOURSELF HERE if you dont understand i dont know what to say else
Far from what ive seen because this issue ive seen real kids who believe in it jaded because
they believe so much in it yet they been misinterpret.
To people who are not contributing anything just some words and yet they too proud with who are they remember because the younger generation maybe believe what you saying before. Now some of them have sees in their eyes the truth of what is this.
And before i go this is list of old school bands who are saying stop back stabbing from day one. if you really listen to them practise it. And if you really a punk person do think again about yourself before poiint out.
Big mouth – gorilla biscuits
Envy – Youth of today
TAlk is cheap – Youth of today
i dont wanna hear it – minor threat
best one yet – black flag
Attitude – bad brains
owh then should i write the whole song.
And yes i have read aedes #1 and #2 and i have a copy of it.
but it doenst move me to be a person who i am today.
damn…aku dah type since Joe post..baru tekan enter dah panjang dan byk reply…
To THISDAYALLGOSDIE – ok maybe there’s misundertsnading here.. sorry …i’m just trying to explain not to boycotted or what so ever..
To KAREN – defending my pathatic pride? Well since u dah tuduh kata i tipu and get false info…so takan aku nak dok diam..nanti semua org aku lak yang tipu or buat citer…so hope u understand la..ok maybe we have misunderstanding..i understand what u meant..ok it seems that now my facts is wrong but yang pasti i get it from Ein and Huzaiba..itu yang aku berani bgtau if u tak percaya gak nanti kita meet up together la..ingat ya meet up bukan nak gaduh ye…..and hope u understand why i post the chat text and all coz ..in the first u think i tipu and buat citer so there goes..so now kita dah misunderstanding la.. habis citer…no tmisunderstanding..miscommunicate …
yang pasti..BUKAN AKU YANG BOIKOT OI!!!!! Tak pernah mentioned or niat pun..tak terlintas kat kepala otak aku pun..korang pun tak nampak aku type kat sini or mana2 kan? (prove it la kalau ada)so jgn lak korang hasut Ein and Huzaiba lak bukan2…they are my friends!!!
besides aku tak nampak or dgr sesiapa boikot pun..korang jgn pulak ada2 kan…yang pasti the show offcourse diteruskan..but let’s get to the main topic diy_jeff cuba sampaikan…
Pls TUTUP citer RM20k and band2 tu..aku dah explain and that’s it…
Johndoe..mana ada org boikot oi!!!!! Pls read again aku tak kisah la pasal RM20k tu…i’ve mentoned it doesn’t mean i against it…duh…..
Pls get to the main topic..NOT DIY topic la..NOT the RM20K la..it’s about the label carried / support facist militant sxe band, etc tu..and get to what diy_jeff post about DIY bands sharing stage with major label bands first place…let’s get to that topic now shall we….
Well fasict militant band or records label then again …my topic here its let them be
my topic here is doesnt matter who are they in or what they do, my topic here do it yourself again if you dont like the label the band anything let them be . do your own thing
why we have to bincang what band is wrong is diy or not. my case here its simple . my point is simple and i write it down for ppl to see from my point of view is we dont have to bother what ppl do . my point of view is do it yourself its not complaining,comment,kutuk or make any judgement towards fellow punk rock or hardcore. Its about DO IT YOURSELF.
yeah i understand johndoe but kami nak dgr pandangan band and others on this issue..bukan suruh mereka drg ckp sesiapa….ada ke sesiapa disini disuruh ikut ckp?
offcourse let them be and it’s their rights …it’s kehendak mereka and i agree that but i’m interested to listen their views on this..itu jer..tak salahkan?
PEACE bro…
then why again nak bincnag hal bands etc in forum? why dont let them rest.? No one bincang about ur ideas, ur creativy, ur music? When you talking your are assuming or do judgement about other ppl credibility. And it becomes more messy. Still did not get my point . Do it yourself its less talk or bincang just do it yourself your work and what you thinking of. Make it happen instead of bincang.
Fight like a man, SHARIL88. Or go fuck yourself.
BoyDxF,
I just HATED the way you pinpointed us and decided to use us for your own glory. So I retaliated. You’re not the only one with pride. Nor with a reputation to upkeep. I couldn’t let you run Ein and UxF down like that. You may not (or may, whichever) realise it, but that’s exactly what you were doing. It’s rude and unethical.
Don’t come for our gigs or support us if you don’t want to. Noone’s forcing you.
Peace.
anyway karen, kalau kau scroll up kat atas, boyDxF dah clear up semua mende and dia pon dah minta maaf. ini semua salah faham. so maybe u can stop talking about this and be kind to people. 🙂
the truth is there is too much condemnation being seen in our scene; from mouth to mouth, publication [fanzine/magazine/e-zine], website, message boards and even in myspace/friendster/etc. Regret that most condemnation is based on so called as “rumors” thingy and even some “unconfirmed” method. People quickly jump towards the conclusion [which most of it is NEGATIVE STATEMENT] and left the kids towards confusion. No one rather ask directly to the label/organizer/band on why this or why that but instead, they left a mark in message board and start to condemn the others. each individuals can’t certainly satisfy all the human race; coz whatever it is, there will always be pros and cons.
and one short notes: do give support for those you feels they deserve it. hmm.. “love it or leave it” [familiar with that quote?]
+hatkor
you have a clear mind. cool.. its been so long this virus infect our scene and now it must be stop. Rumours etc.
u wanna “fight”, karen SHIT-ism? sure dude…just wait and see apa akan jadi pada tarikh gig tu nanti…HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
wei..everyone cool wei..jgn gaduh…damn aku menyesal post benda ni in the first place…should have just read it only instead of posting….
mana lak diy_jeff yang dari US tu…dia yang start questioning..
Hey diy_jeff if you read this..why didn’t u post a thing yet…and the name Boy u mentioned on cm heyday, was that me? Do i know u?
Baru je call Joe Kidd and he said the ip address yag diy_jeff posting tu dari USA. Sapa agaknya ye?
aku ok je Boy…jenis x menggelatat…hahahahaha