Joe Kidd: “Your band is not playing PUNK ROCK anymore, is it?”
About two weeks ago one guy turned up at the ricecooker shop, browsed through the stuff and finally stopped at my table asking me questions about my band. One of his many questions particularly brought me a sense of annoying d?©j?† vu, it’s a question which has been put to my band ever since we came out with The Allure of Manure back in 1998.
“Your band is not playing PUNK ROCK anymore, is it?”
Hmmm. How do you answer that eh?
Simple.
“If you need to label my band’s music with a certain pigeon-hole, I’d prefer you to call it PUNK ROCK, therefore my band is still playing PUNK ROCK la boss!”
The thing is, people have their own ideas about “punk rock”. I come from the old school where punk had a wide-ranging reach, open-ended subscription to new ideas and always evolving.
In terms of musical style, Patti Smith and Television’s art-damaged, poetry-informed scrawny-rock was as punk as The Sex Pistols, The Buzzcocks or Wire or Amebix or Discharge. In today’s terms, I see Tragedy as punk rock as I Farm is as punk rock as Gogol Bordello is as punk rock as Steve Towson is punk rock as John Zorn is punk rock, etc.
Nowadays, kids would term Gasoline Grenade’s brand of fast melodic pop-punk as “punk rock”, while Apparatus’ Swedish/Finnish mid-80s aspirations as “D-Beat” and Blood On Wedding Dress’ late-90s San Diego approximation as “math-screamo” or whatever.
Well, all of the above is punk rock boss! But if you wanna go really nitty-gritty, Gasoline Grenade should be “melodic pop-punk”. And my band is, err, punk rock, but NOT melodic as before lah.
Or maybe we should term it, as “Dung Rock” as that would be a good “nitty-gritty” description without confining it to a certain cage.
CAGES
And talk about “cages”, I have a bone to pick. Well, I have many bones to pick especially about the local punk rock scene, but lets talk about “cages”.
Too many local bands are too lazy to find their own voices.
A lot of bands just go for a certain well-established sound that is either very popular currently or historically. Lets say Tragedy is very popular lah, so a lot of bands wanna be Tragedy, well, more like Tragedy-like, if not a “Tragedy-cover band”. The same goes with most bands who aimed at nothing but terms such as D-Beat, Screamo, Melodic Pop-Punk etc. etc. Bands copying this and that style and never tried to go further or outside that self-imposed cages.
As someone who has been around longer than you lot, frankly I’m really tired of listening to the same old shit which has been under perpetual cycle since a certain “style” got established in the global punk rock history.
It’s boring, boss.
GOOD, NOT GREAT..
Truthfully, I don’t want to be a downer, because we do have heaps of good bands, not great, but good bands. Bands who play very well, have good showmanship, great sounding recordings, some with very good lyrics too; but when it comes to having their own identifiable sound or unique style, we have very few. Sadly.
The tragedy is that we have a lot of talent but that talent is used not to embark on new adventures but, unfortunately, used to copy or approximate other people’s talent. Is it because you are lazy? or is it because you would rather play what your friends think as “cool”? “Wah, you sound sebijik macam Mob 47! Cool!”
Well, I don’t know boss. Am just tired of it lah. I wanna get excited to see and listen to a local band again, that’s all. I want to hear a band that sounds different, even if it’s not leaps and bounds different. A small attempt would be celebrated. At least there’s an effort to be themselves.
KRITIKUS
Going off on another tangent but possibly on one of the main causes to this current “we have good bands but they copy other bands” dilemma is CRITICISM or the lack of it.
According to my favourite online dictionary, at least the 6th description on the page; “Criticism” is: “the act or art of analyzing and evaluating or judging the quality of a literary or artistic work, musical performance, art exhibit, dramatic production, etc.”
It’s about conveying your very own evaluation of a certain work, in this case, of bands and their creative produce, whether it’s recorded or performed. And of course, it should not be malicious in nature but constructive, at least for fairness sake lah.
The problem here is that nobody likes to be criticized. Over here in Boleh-land, criticism is always taken as a “personal insult”, well maybe not always but largely that is how it’s swallowed. Thus it’s very hard to be frank, and so kids nowadays (being nice belias) never would say what they think right to your face. Or even in their blogs or writings. They would say it behind your back.
It is tragically funny. I remember reading Mikon’s writing about how “belia” our so called “punk rockers” are. And I can’t help but totally agree with that., but of course, nobody would admit to it lah. True, most of the local “punks” are timid creatures. Timidity and punk rock? Pretty odd coupling that. Like the recent term popularised by people like Johnny Ramone and Michael Graves; “conservative punk”. Huh? Isn’t that an oxymoron? Just like “nazi punk”, for me those are contradictory terms colliding.
Anyway, so the local kids are sweet. No criticisms. Not in their writing and public spiel. Well, maybe they would criticize the war in Iraq and Bush and all that “safe” global issues; but very rarely their local politicians, authority figures and of course not their friends, the bands or the scene they are in. Nope. Like I said it before, if they did. it’s all done behind your backs.
But gawd! Without criticism how can we gauge our work? By the sales? By the number of people shouting along and slamming to your songs? Is it by votes via sms? Or is it by the reviews in some overseas fanzines whose writers are pretty clueless to what punk rock means in our Southeast Asian context?
Most importantly, how do we step further when we are oblivious to where we are in terms of our very own output?
And isn’t punk rock, hardcore or whatever it is you wanna call it has “critical views and thinking” as one of its main arteries? Being critical is intrinsically punk rock boss!
So where are we? Where are all those people who are a bit “kurang ajar” and speak up their minds? Actually we don’t really need people who are “kurang ajar” but at least people who care about the scene, the bands and where we are at. People who want to build upon what we have and go further, as far as we can reach, at the very least artistically.
Where are you?
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BTW; we had a video of a show my band did at the Life Centre, KL, many years ago. As people were trickling out of the venue, one guy came up to the camera and said, “Carburetor Dung is crap on stage!”. Now, that’s punk rock! And I admit that statement was very true, even painfully valid in 2007 and yeah, we heard that and we are still working on it! 🙂


guys i like to continue with the last post and my cat is just a pussy need attenttion this morning. she always did that to me. she look alittle bit like situ nurhaliza but just that she have a tail eh haha. but lets not worrry i dont screw cat
o.k to make myself clear ,,i love all sort of music.. for example i love che ahmad from kelantan who played rebab (solo) and i got his cd many years ago from a friend who is a close friend of the late piyadasa. his voice came from heaven lah.
when im lonely i play his music…and i love mak yong of riau archipelago (very different form from kelantan mak yong) where i documented them but the film could not be completed for some reason. they are the last fisherman who played this form of theatre or opera and dieing.
i am very much attracted with ‘people’ whose live connected deeply to the music they play. and i must say they are surrounded by beauty. though they do look damn poor//dam fucking poor i must say but the beauty im talking about can be translated as ‘resistance’ towards many other bloody mainstream commercialise idea of what they think culture or music should be….and yes yes the very idea of ‘originality’ itself. they were force to changed the form bcos its old and boring..they were told that they can perform for somekind of cultural event if they ‘change’ …but they are not happy bcos….they cant play ‘originals”….and the troupe think thats wrong because thats what they understood as mak yong. and that ‘originals’ is as old as 300 years old or more
and let me tell you this… those frisherman are much more punk then many punckrocker i meet here in spore or K.L …yes honestly very honestly…. this fisherman dont know the words fuck off but they often did simply just that man. they can pack their bag and off they go…balek! they say..how more punk you want?
my riff here is that there is alot of people out there who have been doing what the punk should be doing and they dont even listen to punk music and if you ask them who is sex pistol? is it someone force their dig in a gun mouth?
the very essence of punk is ‘resistence’ (ya im preeching now..so fuck it if you dont dig it) i like to believe and for that reason che ahmad (if you know him) or Mak yong kelantan and Riau is damn fucking punk! they did not fight but they just dont want to change and thats revolution to me. they did not fight at all. they know what they are and …they are punk!
do we punk ( for those who claim like they are some sort fo fucking airhole know what it mean to be a punk with their fuckng stinky jacket ot torn shabby jeans and tshirt?) know what it mean to be a punk? i am alway wondering like my very pussycat ya
and so i love all kind of music especially ritualistic music (i wont elaborate) because it puncked the fuck out of any airhole. it does not give any fuck what any one of us think what they are. they are “IT” thats punk to me.
for that reason i think the esssence of ‘orignality’ and ‘personality’ (if its important at all) begin with resistance.
what guitar what chord what groove what what ever is all just ‘technical’ thing to me
no cry no punk
punk…awal mula biru
punk…u dan me ‘one’..
punk…pelukmu seyakin ibu
punk…katamu impian beribu
…kini punk..mane jalan?
…kini punk..jalan mane?
…mane punk?..mane ibu?..
…x minum dulu? yea punk dulu la..jalan mane?
This one is very good discussion.
And for me punk rock and hardcore whatever u called it is, was the culture that im belong to.
And for me punk rock fill with thousand of different people with different identity, personalities, ability and speciality. Its a like a whole lot of puzzle. And this puzzle if been combine together can create one whole big picture. And thats should be a good picture.
Those ability of whatever, be it photography, gig organizer, art goers, writer (blog, zine, etc), author, band mate, zine makers, friends, bla bla if combine together can create a one whole picture, and for me thats the best part of punk rock.
And the term of finding identity of the sound of the band or the style of the bands for me, is less important rather than finding one whole harmonic culture, PUNK ROCK, culture of one person finding their own identity and ability. Because punk rock it self is about people finding their own ability, doing the things they really like and at least being free from restriction. Its about making the things impossible, possible at last.
And I know its very important to see something new, something out of our daily norm, but that will occur sometimes, in certain places, in certain times. its based own personal experience to emphasize what is down-to-earth, personal experience.
hahha radzil you funny guy but please dont start.. mean joekidd masa budak budak can be a book or film but dont let him startlah. let him talk bout punk better for this post hehe joe for me and my girl we always think about that guy who got rantai besi kat kai dia jalan depan police staton hahah thats fuckng awesome visually
To those who long for something a bit fresh, please come together and push for it.
• Support the bands/acts/creative-entities that are trying out fresh angles.
Give them your effort, space and time. If you’re a gig promoter, always add in these bands, or at least mix-up bands/acts from different genres, and throw in other things (from poetry to multimedia stuff).
If you’re a distro or a label, do give priorities to new bands that are trying out new stuff, or release and carry bands who are pushing the boundaries.
• Be critical.
If you are doing reviews, whether telling your friends about some bands or writing about them on your zines/blogs; always highlight the “new-ness” factor or the lack of it. Emphasise on the need to get away from the rut of being copycats.
• Get out from your comfort zones! Challenge your very own tastes and promote the experience to your friends/readers..
Open up your experience to different things; sounds, styles, genres, etc. Listen to everything, and then apply characteristics which you like in your own work. Take pride in making up new stuff and reject plagiarism.
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Do all or some of the above, and I bet you, we’ll have a truly vibrant scene that moves forward instead of being static. Fuck trends. Make your own way. Carve your own path.
That is if you feel that the scene needs to reinvigorate itself. If you think everything is alright as it is, by all means, go ahead and do yr thang. But at the very least, don’t get in the way of progression. Smash the walls and let it grow.
Tepuk dada, tanya selera.
cool….punk rock eh?nirvana la punk rock….hehe….
joe….citer la kehidupan kau outside this punk rock world…
masa kecik2 kau suka main apa, masa sekolah kat mana,buat apa,pengalaman bercinta,hari raya buat apa ngan family kau…family kau camana ngan kau skang…and where are you years from now….really appreciate it..for the sake of different la kan…no kidding
tempting… but lemme put it on bit by bit lah
BTW; ZAI! Abg Guard is supposed to play this Friday nite. yeah. A bit late but if you can come, stay at my house lah. we jam there also.
alamak joe kau ni kenapa lambat kasi berita hari hari email tapi baru hari in kasi tahu. o.k aku check kalau boleh aku pancut ke sana jumaat tapi kurang pasti. gitar karen ke gitar tong jpe hehe
gitar tong la boss but with pick-up kalu boleh.
“Too many local bands are too lazy to find their own voices.”
I agreed with this one. Totally. Been involved in and out for fun in underground scene voluntarily (while the rebel mode turned on) but not as active as you are Joe, until I left the scene few years ago while in oversea, and this is still happening to local underground scene. Everybody sound like anybody else. That is boring. Even I gantung my guitar now cos all the band mate get married and continue with their life and soon I will be following their path (The itch to play and to bang is still in mind though).
Anyway. This is first time I come in here Joe. I’ve been following local underground scene since the 90’s man. Your column “Blasting Concept” is the only reason I bought The Star every Wednesday after coming back home from school years ago. That sing-a-long song “Boo Hoo Clapping Song” still my favorite man (sign of rebel heart of a man) and for me, that is your band signature mate. Kudos to you and other members of local underground scene.
Cheers!
thank you for the kind words.
on the “gantung my guitar now” bit, i’ve seen many older friends of mine who are now back on the path, playing again as soon as the various family units they’ve established stabilised.
Our drummer Bullet has 6 kids, and now he’s back on banging the kit!
Hopefully that would be true to you and many out there.
cheers…
Hi joe,remember me? it’s me eddie of MARLINSPIKE, long time no see,
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free bump!..joe kalau ko mati sok leh tak waris kan gitar ko tu kat aku :p….dulu kecik2 aku berangan gak nak curik gitar kid search pastu nak tayang kat bapak aku haha jgn mare…
lastly, aku jumpa juga dgn blog MR JOE KIDD ni..nama yg ada org suka,ada org yg tak suka..tp byk org yg suka dan selalu sebut laa…coz nama tu antara pioneer penggerak scene tanahair..memang menarik dan banyak perkara, ilmu untuk dikongsi…but why papa said “Joe Kidd is not a punk rocker, he just a trendy wxxker”? hanya joe yg boleh jawab…
Anyway,syabas joe and the rest of the ricecooker crew.